High Crimes And Self Defense

A while back you may have read or heard about a Pasadena, Texas man who shot a couple of folks. Those folks were burglarizing a neighbor’s house and had almost made off with $2,000 in cash and jewelry. The man, Joe Horn, had called 911 and the fine folks at 911 told him to go inside. Instead, he protected his neighbor’s property and wound up shooting both of the burglars… dead. The news is being reported that the case could go to the grand jury this week.

Autopsies of Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 38, two unemployed illegal immigrants from Colombia, revealed they died from wounds inflicted by Horn’s 12-gauge shotgun. Police said both were shot in the back as one moved toward Horn and then angled to the curb, while the other fled in the opposite direction.

Do you care that the two aliens were killed? Was the shooting justified? Should a neighbor be able to defend your property in your absence? Yes, yes, and yes.


8 Responses to “High Crimes And Self Defense”

  1. June 17, 2008 at 9:58 am

    The poor man is screwed; he’s going down on murder charges.

  2. June 17, 2008 at 10:01 am

    My money is on “no bill”.

  3. June 17, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Thanks for the update. We had a pretty deep discussion on my blog, and at Texas Fred’s when this was first reported.
    To me, this was a neighbor protecting a neighbor, whether they were there at the time or not. As for the two bad guys? They were felons, and or fleeing felons.
    That they were illegals only adds spice to the issue as far as I am concerned.
    Great post, keep up the good work! 😀

  4. June 17, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    If only they hadn’t been shot in the back. Were they armed? Does the “home as castle” defense work if it’s the neighbor’s house and they are not home?

    I don’t want the guy indicted, but it doesn’t look like a slam-dunk “no bill” to me. Granted, this is the first I’ve heard of the story too.

  5. June 17, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    You are allowed to use deadly force to protect your life, loved ones, or property in Texas if you feel that the force is warranted. You are also allowed to protect your neighbors, etc. under good Samaritan provisions. That he shot the burglars in the back may or may not be an issue because reports say that one of the burglars was closing on him, even though he was faced away. The shooter claims, and I think the 911 recordings give credence to the fact, that he ordered the burglars to halt and they escalated the situation. The only question for the grand jury is going to be: do they believe that the use of deadly force was justified. I believe that they will find this to be the case and he will get no billed.

    As an aside, I have asked all of my neighbors if I can have their *permission* to protect their persons property if they feel threatened and their property if they are not present. All of them have said yes and we all pretty much gave each other permission to do the same. Legal ass covering but in this day and age…

  6. July 1, 2008 at 10:30 am

    Hehe – the people made their decision on Horn. The DA brought him up on charges but the grand jury refused to indict him.

  7. July 1, 2008 at 10:33 am

    In this case, the system worked.

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